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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-39296</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who stumbles on this old thread and may be attracted to the story of Anita Cantieri and want to learn more about third orders and oblates, see this link from May, 2009:  

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/05/14/oblates-tertiaries-professed-laypeople/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who stumbles on this old thread and may be attracted to the story of Anita Cantieri and want to learn more about third orders and oblates, see this link from May, 2009:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/05/14/oblates-tertiaries-professed-laypeople/" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/05/14/oblates-tertiaries-professed-laypeople/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-24291</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonnie, Thank you so much for writing in and telling us about the Franciscan Missionaries of Jesus Crucified. What a wonderful group and mission! I will indeed pass along to you folks who inquire. Blessings to you and your community.

When I looked up your community on the Internet, I found that the NRVC (National Religious Vocations Conference) has a page dedicated to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nrvc.net/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=78&amp;Itemid=27&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Referrals for inquirers with physical challenges&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie, Thank you so much for writing in and telling us about the Franciscan Missionaries of Jesus Crucified. What a wonderful group and mission! I will indeed pass along to you folks who inquire. Blessings to you and your community.</p>
<p>When I looked up your community on the Internet, I found that the NRVC (National Religious Vocations Conference) has a page dedicated to <a href="http://www.nrvc.net/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=78&amp;Itemid=27" rel="nofollow">Referrals for inquirers with physical challenges</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-24282</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sister Julie,
 What a delight to find your website opening the door to explore the possibilities of a religious vocation for persons with cronic illness or disabilities.  For the past 15 years I have been a consecrated member of the Franciscan Missionaries of Jesus Crucified.  We are currently an Association of the Faithful aspiring to become a Secular Institute.  Although we are not a Religious Community we are a religious people approved by the Church to make vows of poverty, chastity and obedience as lay people in the world.  Our community was approved by the Church because we were founded particularly for persons with disabilities.  We believe that God has called us not in spite of them, but because of them, to live our special charism of &quot;Helping Jesus Carry His Cross.&quot;  We do this by accepting with love our own sufferings and uniting them prayerfully with Jesus Crucified.  Not all members have disabilities but we do accept one another as equals and support one another in our vocation. As a Secular Institute we do not live together in a community. (www.secularinstitutes.org)

When Jesus hung on the cross, to the human eye, he appeared to be dis-abled, unable  to do anything, much less to help others and save the world.  God&#039;s ways are not our ways. What others see as imperfections we see as God at work, bringing out the best in us, which is love. 

If you have anyone with a disability who feels that God is calling them to a vocation but all the doors appear to be closed, feel free to give them my email address to discern other vocational possibilities.   

God bless you. 
Bonnie Fagan, FMJC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sister Julie,<br />
 What a delight to find your website opening the door to explore the possibilities of a religious vocation for persons with cronic illness or disabilities.  For the past 15 years I have been a consecrated member of the Franciscan Missionaries of Jesus Crucified.  We are currently an Association of the Faithful aspiring to become a Secular Institute.  Although we are not a Religious Community we are a religious people approved by the Church to make vows of poverty, chastity and obedience as lay people in the world.  Our community was approved by the Church because we were founded particularly for persons with disabilities.  We believe that God has called us not in spite of them, but because of them, to live our special charism of &#8220;Helping Jesus Carry His Cross.&#8221;  We do this by accepting with love our own sufferings and uniting them prayerfully with Jesus Crucified.  Not all members have disabilities but we do accept one another as equals and support one another in our vocation. As a Secular Institute we do not live together in a community. (www.secularinstitutes.org)</p>
<p>When Jesus hung on the cross, to the human eye, he appeared to be dis-abled, unable  to do anything, much less to help others and save the world.  God&#8217;s ways are not our ways. What others see as imperfections we see as God at work, bringing out the best in us, which is love. </p>
<p>If you have anyone with a disability who feels that God is calling them to a vocation but all the doors appear to be closed, feel free to give them my email address to discern other vocational possibilities.   </p>
<p>God bless you.<br />
Bonnie Fagan, FMJC</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1676</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Squeaky, I&#039;m so sorry to hear about what you&#039;ve gone through. My prayers are with you.</description>
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		<title>By: Squeaky</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1674</link>
		<dc:creator>Squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  was rejected by an order while I was young and in full health for reasons that were unfair.  My only guess is that when I took the psychological testing, I probably came up short in the self-esteem department.  When I obeyed my spiritual director and tried again, they still rejected me.  I still feel pained by the memory of the rejection at times because I really wanted to be a religious and now feel lost and aimless in my life, never having found another order or getting married.  The church is ruining itself  by being too caught up in formulae and excessive &quot;man-made&quot; rules.  The Missionaries of Charity have the best attitude of any order I&#039;ve seen.  They say &quot;Come and See&quot;, don&#039;t have strict age limits and leave the rest to God.  However, their order can be physically grueling for someone with a weak constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  was rejected by an order while I was young and in full health for reasons that were unfair.  My only guess is that when I took the psychological testing, I probably came up short in the self-esteem department.  When I obeyed my spiritual director and tried again, they still rejected me.  I still feel pained by the memory of the rejection at times because I really wanted to be a religious and now feel lost and aimless in my life, never having found another order or getting married.  The church is ruining itself  by being too caught up in formulae and excessive &#8220;man-made&#8221; rules.  The Missionaries of Charity have the best attitude of any order I&#8217;ve seen.  They say &#8220;Come and See&#8221;, don&#8217;t have strict age limits and leave the rest to God.  However, their order can be physically grueling for someone with a weak constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Discerning Religious Life with Persons who have a Managed Mental Illness &#171; A Nun&#8217;s Life</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1703</link>
		<dc:creator>Discerning Religious Life with Persons who have a Managed Mental Illness &#171; A Nun&#8217;s Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of religious life and persons wishing to join a community who have a managed mental illness. (See Can You Become a Nun if you have a Chronic Illness?, When a Sister is sick or dying &#8230;, and Chronic Illness and Becoming a Nun REVISITED.) As you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of religious life and persons wishing to join a community who have a managed mental illness. (See Can You Become a Nun if you have a Chronic Illness?, When a Sister is sick or dying &#8230;, and Chronic Illness and Becoming a Nun REVISITED.) As you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie, thank you so much for commenting and by all means I&#039;d be pleased to be listed on your blog favees.

And to all those who have commented ... your words---from whatever perspective you come from---are so helpful not just to me but for the people who struggle with this question and with others. To be able to see how others have made sense of these things can be a real blessing for others. Just wanted to say thanks to you! Sister J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie, thank you so much for commenting and by all means I&#8217;d be pleased to be listed on your blog favees.</p>
<p>And to all those who have commented &#8230; your words&#8212;from whatever perspective you come from&#8212;are so helpful not just to me but for the people who struggle with this question and with others. To be able to see how others have made sense of these things can be a real blessing for others. Just wanted to say thanks to you! Sister J</p>
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		<title>By: Chronic Illness and Becoming a Nun REVISITED &#171; A Nun&#8217;s Life</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>Chronic Illness and Becoming a Nun REVISITED &#171; A Nun&#8217;s Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Nun&#160;REVISITED   Published July 3rd, 2007   Vocations , health      In response to my post Can You Become a Nun if you have a Chronic Illness? I received an email from Sr. M. Zita Wenker, OSB, a Benedictine sister who is a member of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a Nun&nbsp;REVISITED   Published July 3rd, 2007   Vocations , health      In response to my post Can You Become a Nun if you have a Chronic Illness? I received an email from Sr. M. Zita Wenker, OSB, a Benedictine sister who is a member of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1672</link>
		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Blog is so lovely, if I may  I will add your blog to my own blog favourites? I share my blog with Ginny a young lady from Trinidad who is a devout Catholic.

Thanking you in advance.

Marie:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Blog is so lovely, if I may  I will add your blog to my own blog favourites? I share my blog with Ginny a young lady from Trinidad who is a devout Catholic.</p>
<p>Thanking you in advance.</p>
<p>Marie:)</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1675</link>
		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived for many years with a chronic illness. Now I am diagnosed with TMJ which is controllable with medications.

I found my spiritual fulfillment in the Third Order Carmelites. I knew that I could not become a Religious Sister and be a burden to the community.

By joining a Lay Carmelite community I gain the spiritual fulfillment as well as a sense of an emptying of myself in prayer and contemplation.

There are ofcourse still many things to struggle with but through the Teachings and instructions of this Order I have found my own &#039;home&#039; on earth till one is ready to face our Lord.

Thankyou Sister, I truly enjoyed reading your piece:).

God&#039;s Abundant Love to you:)

Marie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived for many years with a chronic illness. Now I am diagnosed with TMJ which is controllable with medications.</p>
<p>I found my spiritual fulfillment in the Third Order Carmelites. I knew that I could not become a Religious Sister and be a burden to the community.</p>
<p>By joining a Lay Carmelite community I gain the spiritual fulfillment as well as a sense of an emptying of myself in prayer and contemplation.</p>
<p>There are ofcourse still many things to struggle with but through the Teachings and instructions of this Order I have found my own &#8216;home&#8217; on earth till one is ready to face our Lord.</p>
<p>Thankyou Sister, I truly enjoyed reading your piece:).</p>
<p>God&#8217;s Abundant Love to you:)</p>
<p>Marie</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous No. 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous No. 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous No. 2,

Just to let you know I am still praying for you.  Don&#039;t let go of what you found the other day.</description>
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<p>Just to let you know I am still praying for you.  Don&#8217;t let go of what you found the other day.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1693</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad that a variety of people pitched in and offered their thoughts and insights. I am most grateful for this community of people. Anonymous 2, do know that my prayers are with you and that I&#039;m here if you want to &quot;chat&quot; again. Sister J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that a variety of people pitched in and offered their thoughts and insights. I am most grateful for this community of people. Anonymous 2, do know that my prayers are with you and that I&#8217;m here if you want to &#8220;chat&#8221; again. Sister J</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous2</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, earlier I wrote Anonymous 1, when I am actually Anonymous 2, but I hope it all made sense anyway.
     Thanks for mentioning orders that accept women with illness and all the other explanations.  Should anyone know of any other orders, or their websites or contact information for them, please do post on here.  God Bless You All, and may we all be sanctified and attain Eternal Happiness in Heaven, and help souls abundantly on the way!   Thank you Sister Julie for your willingness and action to take this isssue up on your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, earlier I wrote Anonymous 1, when I am actually Anonymous 2, but I hope it all made sense anyway.<br />
     Thanks for mentioning orders that accept women with illness and all the other explanations.  Should anyone know of any other orders, or their websites or contact information for them, please do post on here.  God Bless You All, and may we all be sanctified and attain Eternal Happiness in Heaven, and help souls abundantly on the way!   Thank you Sister Julie for your willingness and action to take this isssue up on your site.</p>
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		<title>By: steph</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1679</link>
		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just sort of skimmed the comments .... sorry if I&#039;m repeating someone ....

Speaking for one community in particular .... different issues were handled differently.  Because of the practicalities of how the buildings were constructed, it would be very inhospitable and impractical to have someone physically handicapped enter the community ..... too many outdoor stairs between buildings, etc.  Granted, there is a younger sister who was in a car accident a long time ago and uses an electric cart most of the time and crutches otherwise, but even she has many issues; is it fair to bring someone into this kind of situation?

Other things, though, get handled differently .... depression, eating disorders, alcoholism, and the like ..... these depend more on how they&#039;re being treated and the responsibility that the individual takes for him/herself.  But these are not automatic &quot;no&quot;s.

In terms of the age cut-off .... again, there are many different reasons for that.  Two things that I can think of off-hand:  The longer you&#039;ve been on your own, the harder it is sometimes to adjust to the structures of community life and the very &quot;new kid&quot; status as you&#039;re told how to do things that you&#039;ve done forever.  There is also a very pratical piece of elemental human dynamics if you have a 22-year-old and a 62-year-old as the two individuals in the very-structured and enclosed world of the novitiate.

Main reason for my wanting to comment, though, is that there is a group called the Sisters of the Lamb of God take both sisters in good health and with physical disabilities .... and I know there are others out there.

Sorry for the rambling ... good luck to all searchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just sort of skimmed the comments &#8230;. sorry if I&#8217;m repeating someone &#8230;.</p>
<p>Speaking for one community in particular &#8230;. different issues were handled differently.  Because of the practicalities of how the buildings were constructed, it would be very inhospitable and impractical to have someone physically handicapped enter the community &#8230;.. too many outdoor stairs between buildings, etc.  Granted, there is a younger sister who was in a car accident a long time ago and uses an electric cart most of the time and crutches otherwise, but even she has many issues; is it fair to bring someone into this kind of situation?</p>
<p>Other things, though, get handled differently &#8230;. depression, eating disorders, alcoholism, and the like &#8230;.. these depend more on how they&#8217;re being treated and the responsibility that the individual takes for him/herself.  But these are not automatic &#8220;no&#8221;s.</p>
<p>In terms of the age cut-off &#8230;. again, there are many different reasons for that.  Two things that I can think of off-hand:  The longer you&#8217;ve been on your own, the harder it is sometimes to adjust to the structures of community life and the very &#8220;new kid&#8221; status as you&#8217;re told how to do things that you&#8217;ve done forever.  There is also a very pratical piece of elemental human dynamics if you have a 22-year-old and a 62-year-old as the two individuals in the very-structured and enclosed world of the novitiate.</p>
<p>Main reason for my wanting to comment, though, is that there is a group called the Sisters of the Lamb of God take both sisters in good health and with physical disabilities &#8230;. and I know there are others out there.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rambling &#8230; good luck to all searchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1680</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous #1 ... I so appreciate your contributions here which a number of people have also found helpful. One piece in particular struck me:

&quot; ... she recognized the vocation God gave her-–to lovingly embrace her debilitating illness and turn it into something good and holy by offering herself. She did not just passively accept her situtation; she very actively used it for great good, for herself and many others.&quot;

I pray that we all have this kind of openness and heart when we have to face tough situations in our life.

Sister Julie CSSF ... very cool story. It&#039;s neat that you guys were willing to enter into the discernment process which was probably a powerful sign for the other order and helped them come to a new insight. We often refer to our IHM Motherhouse Community as the powerhouse of prayer too because they are dedicated to the ministry of prayer. Their effects of their prayer is unmistakeable. You can feel it not only when they pray for you but just being in the Motherhouse and being with them. These are holy women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous #1 &#8230; I so appreciate your contributions here which a number of people have also found helpful. One piece in particular struck me:</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8230; she recognized the vocation God gave her-–to lovingly embrace her debilitating illness and turn it into something good and holy by offering herself. She did not just passively accept her situtation; she very actively used it for great good, for herself and many others.&#8221;</p>
<p>I pray that we all have this kind of openness and heart when we have to face tough situations in our life.</p>
<p>Sister Julie CSSF &#8230; very cool story. It&#8217;s neat that you guys were willing to enter into the discernment process which was probably a powerful sign for the other order and helped them come to a new insight. We often refer to our IHM Motherhouse Community as the powerhouse of prayer too because they are dedicated to the ministry of prayer. Their effects of their prayer is unmistakeable. You can feel it not only when they pray for you but just being in the Motherhouse and being with them. These are holy women.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Sister Julie, CSSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Sister Julie, CSSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We once had a young woman apply to our congregation after being rejected by another order due to the fact that she had Cystic Fibrosis.  After a lot of prayer and discernment by the sisters, we agreed to accept her to postulancy.  Upon hearing that she was accepted to our order, the other Franciscans then changed their minds and let her enter theirs!

All of our sisters at the end of years of active ministry take up a new one--Prayer ministry.  And when her body starts to fade due to age or illness, she takes up the minstry of suffering.  That is why our infirmary is called our Powerhouse of Prayer.  The sisters there are praying day and night for the needs of the congregation, the Church, and the world.

There are also our Lay Associates and our Prayer Associates.  Lay Associates work with us side by side and witness the charism of the congregation with their lives.  Prayer Associates pray with and for the sisters and the needs of the congretation.  My mother, who is diabetic, a stroke victim, and now nearly blind, is a Prayer Associate.  She says at least two rosaries every night before she goes to sleep, and a few extra besides when she can&#039;t sleep.  Go, Mom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We once had a young woman apply to our congregation after being rejected by another order due to the fact that she had Cystic Fibrosis.  After a lot of prayer and discernment by the sisters, we agreed to accept her to postulancy.  Upon hearing that she was accepted to our order, the other Franciscans then changed their minds and let her enter theirs!</p>
<p>All of our sisters at the end of years of active ministry take up a new one&#8211;Prayer ministry.  And when her body starts to fade due to age or illness, she takes up the minstry of suffering.  That is why our infirmary is called our Powerhouse of Prayer.  The sisters there are praying day and night for the needs of the congregation, the Church, and the world.</p>
<p>There are also our Lay Associates and our Prayer Associates.  Lay Associates work with us side by side and witness the charism of the congregation with their lives.  Prayer Associates pray with and for the sisters and the needs of the congretation.  My mother, who is diabetic, a stroke victim, and now nearly blind, is a Prayer Associate.  She says at least two rosaries every night before she goes to sleep, and a few extra besides when she can&#8217;t sleep.  Go, Mom!</p>
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		<title>By: RedheadedCyclone</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedheadedCyclone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things...

This has been said but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s been said clearly enough. The phrases &quot;Chronic Illness&quot; and &quot;terminally ill&quot; are, in a way, misnomers and are not necessarily interchangeable. I have a &quot;chronic illness&quot; of fibromyalgia. It does not mean that I am not an active member of society. Often, pain related issues are associated with disease and sickness inappropriately. I am not sick. I do not have an illness. I have a chronic condition which needs maintenance and due diligence. To blanket refuse someone with the phrase &quot;chronic illness&quot; shows a distressing lack of understanding and compassion.

On the other hand, something which hasn&#039;t been addressed: communities might be shy about admitting members who have the potential for higher medical bills because they don&#039;t have the ability to absorb the increase in health costs. It&#039;s sad that it comes to that but it must be a consideration for the long term. It would not make sense to bankrupt your entire order because of medical care.

I find that my assumptions were opposite of reality. I would have thought that there would be a number of places which would be homes for people with terminal illness to end their time in prayer and preparation. Believe me, I understand that Hospice care is something very special that not many people are cut out for. But what better way to support human dignity than supporting this wish?

and the last thing... If so many places are having to deal with monetary issues, one would think that admitting older members would make more sense. Don&#039;t most communities require you donate all or most of your worldly goods to the community? Older women are more likely to have a larger contribution. On a purely material sense.

I agree with the opinion above... I wouldn&#039;t want to have to make these type of decisions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things&#8230;</p>
<p>This has been said but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s been said clearly enough. The phrases &#8220;Chronic Illness&#8221; and &#8220;terminally ill&#8221; are, in a way, misnomers and are not necessarily interchangeable. I have a &#8220;chronic illness&#8221; of fibromyalgia. It does not mean that I am not an active member of society. Often, pain related issues are associated with disease and sickness inappropriately. I am not sick. I do not have an illness. I have a chronic condition which needs maintenance and due diligence. To blanket refuse someone with the phrase &#8220;chronic illness&#8221; shows a distressing lack of understanding and compassion.</p>
<p>On the other hand, something which hasn&#8217;t been addressed: communities might be shy about admitting members who have the potential for higher medical bills because they don&#8217;t have the ability to absorb the increase in health costs. It&#8217;s sad that it comes to that but it must be a consideration for the long term. It would not make sense to bankrupt your entire order because of medical care.</p>
<p>I find that my assumptions were opposite of reality. I would have thought that there would be a number of places which would be homes for people with terminal illness to end their time in prayer and preparation. Believe me, I understand that Hospice care is something very special that not many people are cut out for. But what better way to support human dignity than supporting this wish?</p>
<p>and the last thing&#8230; If so many places are having to deal with monetary issues, one would think that admitting older members would make more sense. Don&#8217;t most communities require you donate all or most of your worldly goods to the community? Older women are more likely to have a larger contribution. On a purely material sense.</p>
<p>I agree with the opinion above&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t want to have to make these type of decisions!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anonymous 2 : I thank you so much for your prayers.  I thank you for your post too.  I can see that I have understood what you have said to me.  Being a Saint can be painful, but if only I don&#039;t sin trying, then all pain is turned to great joy!  May God strengthen me to follow the path He has truly chosen for me and may all who suffer be blessed this way.  I give thanks to God for the morning offering and for aspirations which allow us to attach our lives to the great generosity of God who invites us all to participate with Him in the Salvation Mission of love.  Glory Be To God indeed! Please pray for God&#039;s Perfect Will to be understood, recognized and embraced with courage, humility and conviction.  God Bless You and I thank you for sharing the beautiful story of The Skylark.  God&#039;s Love is all encompassing for His children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anonymous 2 : I thank you so much for your prayers.  I thank you for your post too.  I can see that I have understood what you have said to me.  Being a Saint can be painful, but if only I don&#8217;t sin trying, then all pain is turned to great joy!  May God strengthen me to follow the path He has truly chosen for me and may all who suffer be blessed this way.  I give thanks to God for the morning offering and for aspirations which allow us to attach our lives to the great generosity of God who invites us all to participate with Him in the Salvation Mission of love.  Glory Be To God indeed! Please pray for God&#8217;s Perfect Will to be understood, recognized and embraced with courage, humility and conviction.  God Bless You and I thank you for sharing the beautiful story of The Skylark.  God&#8217;s Love is all encompassing for His children.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, I see the age cut offs as shocking and disgraceful. As was said earlier in this post, God does not have an age limit.  And from what I have read and researched on early convents and such, they did not either.  In my research recently, I actually found one group that even before they would SPEAK to you, you had to send them a photograph, and then they would decide!  For shame.  I find it remarkable that if someone like Blessed Margaret of Castello were to try to become a nun today, she would find it completely impossible, being, blind, lame etc... No one should be judged by their age, by their physical ability (I myself have a disabling back injury from a car accident and have to use a cane, and I am 40 years old).....nor their age and turned away by people who feel that on that basis, they have not enough to contribute!  When you are called by God, it is not for others to judge whether or not you are then &quot;worthy&quot;. God has already decided that.

 I can remember my grandmother&#039;s church, when I became a teenager. There were men standing outside and a woman was not let in for mass if she were not in a dress!  I found this out when I was 13.  Mind you I was not in torn jeans and a dirty t-shirt (that wouldn&#039;t matter to God anyway).....but they were not going to let me in for mass! Father had come out before they were to close the doors as I was telling this man that &quot;God does not care if I am in pants, he only cares if I show up, and I don&#039;t think God would like it very much that you say I can&#039;t go to mass because of pants!&quot;
Father smiled and let me in.  Shortly thereafter, (much to my grandmothers horror), the wearing a dress requirement for women was removed.

In short, if I have to have a convent of &quot;one&quot;, I will do so, because God&#039;s call is more important than the judgment of worthiness to that call by other human beings as non of us are perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I see the age cut offs as shocking and disgraceful. As was said earlier in this post, God does not have an age limit.  And from what I have read and researched on early convents and such, they did not either.  In my research recently, I actually found one group that even before they would SPEAK to you, you had to send them a photograph, and then they would decide!  For shame.  I find it remarkable that if someone like Blessed Margaret of Castello were to try to become a nun today, she would find it completely impossible, being, blind, lame etc&#8230; No one should be judged by their age, by their physical ability (I myself have a disabling back injury from a car accident and have to use a cane, and I am 40 years old)&#8230;..nor their age and turned away by people who feel that on that basis, they have not enough to contribute!  When you are called by God, it is not for others to judge whether or not you are then &#8220;worthy&#8221;. God has already decided that.</p>
<p> I can remember my grandmother&#8217;s church, when I became a teenager. There were men standing outside and a woman was not let in for mass if she were not in a dress!  I found this out when I was 13.  Mind you I was not in torn jeans and a dirty t-shirt (that wouldn&#8217;t matter to God anyway)&#8230;..but they were not going to let me in for mass! Father had come out before they were to close the doors as I was telling this man that &#8220;God does not care if I am in pants, he only cares if I show up, and I don&#8217;t think God would like it very much that you say I can&#8217;t go to mass because of pants!&#8221;<br />
Father smiled and let me in.  Shortly thereafter, (much to my grandmothers horror), the wearing a dress requirement for women was removed.</p>
<p>In short, if I have to have a convent of &#8220;one&#8221;, I will do so, because God&#8217;s call is more important than the judgment of worthiness to that call by other human beings as non of us are perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous No. 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous No. 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annonymous No. 2,

One more thing about Anita.  It is really not so much that she joined the Carmelite order as that she recognized the vocation God gave her--to lovingly embrace her debilitating illness and turn it into something good and holy by offering herself.  She did not just passively accept her situtation; she very actively used it for great good, for herself and many others.  While she was able she was an active catechist in her parish, and many people came to her for counsel.  She said that her room was her &quot;cell&quot; and she lived her rule as best she could.  She said that she wanted to become a saint &quot;and since the glory of God is correlative to my holiness I want to become a great saint.&quot;

What I just wrote is the fruit of my prayer for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annonymous No. 2,</p>
<p>One more thing about Anita.  It is really not so much that she joined the Carmelite order as that she recognized the vocation God gave her&#8211;to lovingly embrace her debilitating illness and turn it into something good and holy by offering herself.  She did not just passively accept her situtation; she very actively used it for great good, for herself and many others.  While she was able she was an active catechist in her parish, and many people came to her for counsel.  She said that her room was her &#8220;cell&#8221; and she lived her rule as best she could.  She said that she wanted to become a saint &#8220;and since the glory of God is correlative to my holiness I want to become a great saint.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I just wrote is the fruit of my prayer for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous No. 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous No. 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

Your husband is right.  The other thing about skylarks is that, it is said, the higher they fly the sweeter their song.  And so Anita&#039;s title.

Anonymous No. 2,

Secular Carmelites used to have &quot;isolated members.&quot;  They either lived too far from a community&#039;s meeting place to attend or, perhaps, were ill. Formation took place by correspondence and, perhpas, occasional visits. Isolated members are no longer encouraged, at least in the U.S. since in this age of automoble it is far easier to travel.  However, if I felt called to Carmel I might at least enquire.  I am not sure whether Dominicans or Franciscans allow isolated members; they might.

Secular Carmelites do have an apostolate but, especially for a Carmelite, that may well be prayer for others.  Praying for priests is a major apostolate of enclosed Carmeite nuns.

I am praying for you today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>Your husband is right.  The other thing about skylarks is that, it is said, the higher they fly the sweeter their song.  And so Anita&#8217;s title.</p>
<p>Anonymous No. 2,</p>
<p>Secular Carmelites used to have &#8220;isolated members.&#8221;  They either lived too far from a community&#8217;s meeting place to attend or, perhaps, were ill. Formation took place by correspondence and, perhpas, occasional visits. Isolated members are no longer encouraged, at least in the U.S. since in this age of automoble it is far easier to travel.  However, if I felt called to Carmel I might at least enquire.  I am not sure whether Dominicans or Franciscans allow isolated members; they might.</p>
<p>Secular Carmelites do have an apostolate but, especially for a Carmelite, that may well be prayer for others.  Praying for priests is a major apostolate of enclosed Carmeite nuns.</p>
<p>I am praying for you today.</p>
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		<dc:creator>When a Sister is sick or dying &#8230; &#171; A Nun&#8217;s Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1677</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another blog reader sent this along to me: &quot;Someone asked you about handicapped women joining religious life. Although they are a contemplative order, there is one that I am aware of … the website is:
http://www.benedictinesjc.org/aboutUs.html ... &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another blog reader sent this along to me: &#8220;Someone asked you about handicapped women joining religious life. Although they are a contemplative order, there is one that I am aware of … the website is:<br />
<a href="http://www.benedictinesjc.org/aboutUs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.benedictinesjc.org/aboutUs.html</a> &#8230; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband, who knows a lot more about birds than I, tells me skylarks fly extremely high...the skylark of Carmel...what a lovely title. I enjoyed very much the post from Anonymous. I went along once to a third order meeting and remember how it was explained to me that it was / is a vocation rather than a prayer group. That makes more sense now I have read this contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband, who knows a lot more about birds than I, tells me skylarks fly extremely high&#8230;the skylark of Carmel&#8230;what a lovely title. I enjoyed very much the post from Anonymous. I went along once to a third order meeting and remember how it was explained to me that it was / is a vocation rather than a prayer group. That makes more sense now I have read this contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for all of your replies here.  I am seriously chronically ill; although, not considered &#039;terminal&#039;.  I have gone to secular meetings for Carmel, but perhaps for long periods of time will not feel up to attending those meetings.  I learned to pray The Divine Office from them, and am grateful for the time I spent with them.
     Still, I have felt called to community life, but have not found a compatible community ready to welcome me in my sufferings.  I pray, attend Mass and adoration.  I read the post about Anita Cantieri &#039;The Skylark of Carmel&#039; with interest, but I wonder how she joined even the secular order as she was confined to bed.  Even they have to meet with a vocation director and are supposed to attend meetings and I was given &#039;homework&#039; to do when I was attending.  Also, many of the members travel to many meetings, conferences, etc... which they have to have their own money to pay for and they have to be well enough to go.  I don&#039;t think all those things are required at all, yet I did get the impression that with the serious vows taken one had to have some &#039;apostolate&#039; even if it is prayer.
     I do pray, but not living in a prayerful community, and having to live with relatives since I am unable to support myself on my own, leaves me in a situation where my prayer life is more difficult at times.  I do appreciate the care given to me that does allow me time to pray here, but it is different from living in a religious community with an atmosphere of prayer among all fellow Catholics who have a desire to focus on loving God and living a holy life.
I would think that in such a community, one&#039;s desire for a holy, prayerful life would at least be respected and understood where the priorities have to be.
     I did visit a local Carmelite monastery one time and at the turn the nun informed me that a person was sent home one time, that the Reverend Mother felt she had to send the person home.  Also, in contemplative communities much hard physical work can still be required.  I don&#039;t think they use dishwashers or have someone come in to mop the floors and clean the bathrooms.
    I have looked at The Visitation Sisters schedule and it can be daunting for someone such as I who has stamina problems.  They do accept ladies who have physical handicaps, but there is an age cut-off too.  God doesn&#039;t cut us off at a certain age, remember the parable about the workers who started late, but got the same pay as the ones who worked all day.  God is so generous.  We have to strive for that, don&#039;t we?  How a whole community of ill sisters would financially support themselves, I don&#039;t know.  I see other communities making ends meet though, with land and houses, etc...
     I will be interested to see what anyone else can add to this discussion.  God Be With Us All.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for all of your replies here.  I am seriously chronically ill; although, not considered &#8216;terminal&#8217;.  I have gone to secular meetings for Carmel, but perhaps for long periods of time will not feel up to attending those meetings.  I learned to pray The Divine Office from them, and am grateful for the time I spent with them.<br />
     Still, I have felt called to community life, but have not found a compatible community ready to welcome me in my sufferings.  I pray, attend Mass and adoration.  I read the post about Anita Cantieri &#8216;The Skylark of Carmel&#8217; with interest, but I wonder how she joined even the secular order as she was confined to bed.  Even they have to meet with a vocation director and are supposed to attend meetings and I was given &#8216;homework&#8217; to do when I was attending.  Also, many of the members travel to many meetings, conferences, etc&#8230; which they have to have their own money to pay for and they have to be well enough to go.  I don&#8217;t think all those things are required at all, yet I did get the impression that with the serious vows taken one had to have some &#8216;apostolate&#8217; even if it is prayer.<br />
     I do pray, but not living in a prayerful community, and having to live with relatives since I am unable to support myself on my own, leaves me in a situation where my prayer life is more difficult at times.  I do appreciate the care given to me that does allow me time to pray here, but it is different from living in a religious community with an atmosphere of prayer among all fellow Catholics who have a desire to focus on loving God and living a holy life.<br />
I would think that in such a community, one&#8217;s desire for a holy, prayerful life would at least be respected and understood where the priorities have to be.<br />
     I did visit a local Carmelite monastery one time and at the turn the nun informed me that a person was sent home one time, that the Reverend Mother felt she had to send the person home.  Also, in contemplative communities much hard physical work can still be required.  I don&#8217;t think they use dishwashers or have someone come in to mop the floors and clean the bathrooms.<br />
    I have looked at The Visitation Sisters schedule and it can be daunting for someone such as I who has stamina problems.  They do accept ladies who have physical handicaps, but there is an age cut-off too.  God doesn&#8217;t cut us off at a certain age, remember the parable about the workers who started late, but got the same pay as the ones who worked all day.  God is so generous.  We have to strive for that, don&#8217;t we?  How a whole community of ill sisters would financially support themselves, I don&#8217;t know.  I see other communities making ends meet though, with land and houses, etc&#8230;<br />
     I will be interested to see what anyone else can add to this discussion.  God Be With Us All.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who has been rejected by a religious community due to illness but still feels called to a life dedicated in a special way to God consider Anita Cantieri and the possibility of joining a third or secular order.

Many people, both men and women, who join third orders do so because they feel called to religious life but, for one reason or another, cannot join a community which lives together.  Perhaps they are already married,or too old, or ill, or perhaps they also feel called to a secular vocation as well.

Anita Cantieri was born in Lucca, Italy, March 30, 1910, and died August 24,1942  The  Holy See has accepted her as a candidate for sainthood and has declared her Venerable.

Anita entered the active Carmelite Sisters of St. Theresa but
had to leave after fifteen months because of ill health. She took up her life at home again as a laywoman, always hoping her illness would pass and give her the chance to return to Carmel. But at 24 she found herself confined to bed almost continuously with excruciating suffering. Realizing at last that it was not God&#039;s  wish that she become a Carmelite Sister, she became a Secular Carmelite on July 1, 1935.

Anita devoted herself with all her heart to the vocation she had discovered on her sickbed: that of sharing the sufferings of Jesus Crucified for the salvation of others. This union with Jesus on the Cross, along with love for Him in the Blessed Sacrament and love for Mary were the great devotions of her life. She carried on a remarkable apostolate from her sickbed. People who at first came to console the sufferer went away themselves comforted, counselled and encourage. Toward the end of her life there was a constant stream of visitors to her bedside. Anita had become a fountain of
grace for all who came near her. It is still that way, as anyone who approaches her in prayer quickly learns. She welcomes you even now with the same smile and the same love, imparting spiritual favors; peace of heart, strength, a desire for holiness, the desire for God.

There is very little about Anita in English, but she is known to most secular Carmelites as &quot;the Skylark of Carmel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who has been rejected by a religious community due to illness but still feels called to a life dedicated in a special way to God consider Anita Cantieri and the possibility of joining a third or secular order.</p>
<p>Many people, both men and women, who join third orders do so because they feel called to religious life but, for one reason or another, cannot join a community which lives together.  Perhaps they are already married,or too old, or ill, or perhaps they also feel called to a secular vocation as well.</p>
<p>Anita Cantieri was born in Lucca, Italy, March 30, 1910, and died August 24,1942  The  Holy See has accepted her as a candidate for sainthood and has declared her Venerable.</p>
<p>Anita entered the active Carmelite Sisters of St. Theresa but<br />
had to leave after fifteen months because of ill health. She took up her life at home again as a laywoman, always hoping her illness would pass and give her the chance to return to Carmel. But at 24 she found herself confined to bed almost continuously with excruciating suffering. Realizing at last that it was not God&#8217;s  wish that she become a Carmelite Sister, she became a Secular Carmelite on July 1, 1935.</p>
<p>Anita devoted herself with all her heart to the vocation she had discovered on her sickbed: that of sharing the sufferings of Jesus Crucified for the salvation of others. This union with Jesus on the Cross, along with love for Him in the Blessed Sacrament and love for Mary were the great devotions of her life. She carried on a remarkable apostolate from her sickbed. People who at first came to console the sufferer went away themselves comforted, counselled and encourage. Toward the end of her life there was a constant stream of visitors to her bedside. Anita had become a fountain of<br />
grace for all who came near her. It is still that way, as anyone who approaches her in prayer quickly learns. She welcomes you even now with the same smile and the same love, imparting spiritual favors; peace of heart, strength, a desire for holiness, the desire for God.</p>
<p>There is very little about Anita in English, but she is known to most secular Carmelites as &#8220;the Skylark of Carmel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many communities I have looked at require &#039;good health&#039;, however, that is fairly broad. If you have a disease that can be controlled i.e. diabeties, the communities dont seem to have a problem with it. However if a person is serverially sick, they usually will not accept them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many communities I have looked at require &#8216;good health&#8217;, however, that is fairly broad. If you have a disease that can be controlled i.e. diabeties, the communities dont seem to have a problem with it. However if a person is serverially sick, they usually will not accept them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy, csj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy, csj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d add that alcoholism is another chronic disease that many communities are willing to work with. They might ask the individual to have a certain length of time in sobriety before they allow the person to enter, but as long as the person is in recovery, I know that my community at least is glad to have her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d add that alcoholism is another chronic disease that many communities are willing to work with. They might ask the individual to have a certain length of time in sobriety before they allow the person to enter, but as long as the person is in recovery, I know that my community at least is glad to have her.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, Many thanks for the nuancing. I truly appreciate it. In part I am responding to an email I received, so there&#039;s a whole lot more &quot;subtext&quot; to my post then I probably realized. Giving &quot;serious chronic illness&quot; a little more description and nuancing is very helpful to me and I&#039;m sure to readers. I welcome any further clarification. And yes, a post on post-profession nuns who become seriously ill will definitely follow (I thought I had written about that here, but realized I only did so in my e-mail reply). Thanks for watching out, Lisa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, Many thanks for the nuancing. I truly appreciate it. In part I am responding to an email I received, so there&#8217;s a whole lot more &#8220;subtext&#8221; to my post then I probably realized. Giving &#8220;serious chronic illness&#8221; a little more description and nuancing is very helpful to me and I&#8217;m sure to readers. I welcome any further clarification. And yes, a post on post-profession nuns who become seriously ill will definitely follow (I thought I had written about that here, but realized I only did so in my e-mail reply). Thanks for watching out, Lisa!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Julie, thanks for inviting feedback although mine won&#039;t be in direct reply to the questions you posed but rather to some of the text itself as it concerns me that it could be misunderstood.

The expression &quot;chronic illness&quot; seems pretty clear, but it can mean different things to different people.  It is not necessarily synonymous with &quot;terminal illness&quot; and can include a range of conditions or a narrow set of illnesses.  For those reasons, I am afraid that some people with rather routine &quot;chronic&quot; illnesses/conditions, after reading this post, would consider themselves ineligible for acceptance into a broad range of communities so I want to suggest a more nuanced discussion of the topic.

&quot;Chronic illness&quot; can include the gamut -- from pretty standard manageable diabetes to end stage terminal cancer.  To illustrate my concern, I note that there are any number of communities that would not see manageable diabetes as an obstacle to entering religious life, whereas active cancer would likely be for most, if not all.  Like diabetes, many communities today accept people for entrance who have manageable depression or high blood pressure.  A &quot;terminal&quot; illness, however, is a totally different story.

I hope you&#039;ll consider an additional post that also clarifies that if people become ill once in community, particularly post perpetual profession, the community stands with them and does not ask them to leave.

Your blog is such a  valuable source of information for so many so I wouldn&#039;t want any of your readers to leave with the wrong impression especially if they are contemplating religious life (or even if they are not and somehow feel that the Church is turning away &quot;ill&quot; people).  I hope the spirit in which I share these thoughts is evident.

Thank you as always for giving us such food for deep thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Julie, thanks for inviting feedback although mine won&#8217;t be in direct reply to the questions you posed but rather to some of the text itself as it concerns me that it could be misunderstood.</p>
<p>The expression &#8220;chronic illness&#8221; seems pretty clear, but it can mean different things to different people.  It is not necessarily synonymous with &#8220;terminal illness&#8221; and can include a range of conditions or a narrow set of illnesses.  For those reasons, I am afraid that some people with rather routine &#8220;chronic&#8221; illnesses/conditions, after reading this post, would consider themselves ineligible for acceptance into a broad range of communities so I want to suggest a more nuanced discussion of the topic.</p>
<p>&#8220;Chronic illness&#8221; can include the gamut &#8212; from pretty standard manageable diabetes to end stage terminal cancer.  To illustrate my concern, I note that there are any number of communities that would not see manageable diabetes as an obstacle to entering religious life, whereas active cancer would likely be for most, if not all.  Like diabetes, many communities today accept people for entrance who have manageable depression or high blood pressure.  A &#8220;terminal&#8221; illness, however, is a totally different story.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll consider an additional post that also clarifies that if people become ill once in community, particularly post perpetual profession, the community stands with them and does not ask them to leave.</p>
<p>Your blog is such a  valuable source of information for so many so I wouldn&#8217;t want any of your readers to leave with the wrong impression especially if they are contemplating religious life (or even if they are not and somehow feel that the Church is turning away &#8220;ill&#8221; people).  I hope the spirit in which I share these thoughts is evident.</p>
<p>Thank you as always for giving us such food for deep thought!</p>
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		<title>By: reggiehudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>reggiehudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you become an effectual vehicle to get people to look towards Christ with a terminal illness........Yes! Most effectively! The title of a nun if the Lord has placed that on her heart will only make nuns and the Church rethink all the time and effort that acquiring that title actually takes  The one who&#039;s asked this question has little time and little effort(by no fault of her own). I don&#039;t know if most people actually realize the process and commitment that nuns face. This is a righteous question....I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not a superior that would have to make this decision. If it&#039;s of God....it&#039;s a question that won&#039;t end.

Brother Reg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you become an effectual vehicle to get people to look towards Christ with a terminal illness&#8230;&#8230;..Yes! Most effectively! The title of a nun if the Lord has placed that on her heart will only make nuns and the Church rethink all the time and effort that acquiring that title actually takes  The one who&#8217;s asked this question has little time and little effort(by no fault of her own). I don&#8217;t know if most people actually realize the process and commitment that nuns face. This is a righteous question&#8230;.I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not a superior that would have to make this decision. If it&#8217;s of God&#8230;.it&#8217;s a question that won&#8217;t end.</p>
<p>Brother Reg</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed this is a thought provoking question and one that is bound to stir up all sorts of emotive issues. I can understand how there would be many factors when considering discernment but I would like to think there are places for those, who in spite of disability or physical incapacity, wish to respond to a call to serve the Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed this is a thought provoking question and one that is bound to stir up all sorts of emotive issues. I can understand how there would be many factors when considering discernment but I would like to think there are places for those, who in spite of disability or physical incapacity, wish to respond to a call to serve the Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: alicemary</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1694</link>
		<dc:creator>alicemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that for the most part woman groups are reluctant to even consider someone with any disability or infirmary. They do not want to consider anyone over the age of 30 either, guess they feel that if you are out of your 20&#039;s you are ready for retirement. Visitation nuns are a little more lenient and there is a group up in New England that does accept people with disabilities. However the last time I received a mailing from them they were begging for money as their order had too many old members and they were not thriving at all(they also had an entrance cut off of about 35 too!!)
I find it interesting that male groups are more accepting. Not great, but better. And male groups will also accept older vocations and men who have married and are widows.
I am diabetic, a controlled diabetic, but tell a vocation director that, and kiss any contact goodbye. It is truly disheartening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that for the most part woman groups are reluctant to even consider someone with any disability or infirmary. They do not want to consider anyone over the age of 30 either, guess they feel that if you are out of your 20&#8242;s you are ready for retirement. Visitation nuns are a little more lenient and there is a group up in New England that does accept people with disabilities. However the last time I received a mailing from them they were begging for money as their order had too many old members and they were not thriving at all(they also had an entrance cut off of about 35 too!!)<br />
I find it interesting that male groups are more accepting. Not great, but better. And male groups will also accept older vocations and men who have married and are widows.<br />
I am diabetic, a controlled diabetic, but tell a vocation director that, and kiss any contact goodbye. It is truly disheartening.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Howdle</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Howdle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a thought provoking question. Being one with a chronic illness, I will be interested in reading what it is you come up with.
Bless you
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a thought provoking question. Being one with a chronic illness, I will be interested in reading what it is you come up with.<br />
Bless you<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall a post from someone (forgot who) about how the discernment process excludes people with disabilities.  Maybe with more coffee I&#039;ll be able to find it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall a post from someone (forgot who) about how the discernment process excludes people with disabilities.  Maybe with more coffee I&#8217;ll be able to find it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elli</title>
		<link>http://anunslife.org/2007/06/22/can-you-become-a-nun-if-you-have-a-chronic-illness/#comment-1689</link>
		<dc:creator>Elli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an article in the Boston Globe awhile ago about a woman who was dealing with the issue.   After a bit of search, I found the article again at: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/13/a_ministry_of_prayer_study_and_writing/

It reminded me of a comment in Jim Martin&#039;s In Good Company about how even the older Jesuits who are bed-bound are listed in the directory as having a ministry of prayer.

Hope that helps.   God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article in the Boston Globe awhile ago about a woman who was dealing with the issue.   After a bit of search, I found the article again at: <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/13/a_ministry_of_prayer_study_and_writing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/13/a_ministry_of_prayer_study_and_writing/</a></p>
<p>It reminded me of a comment in Jim Martin&#8217;s In Good Company about how even the older Jesuits who are bed-bound are listed in the directory as having a ministry of prayer.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.   God bless.</p>
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