Comments on: The Trinity: a model of communication today http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/ Catholic Sisters and Nuns in Today's World Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:24:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Don http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/#comment-22879 Don Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:10 +0000 http://anunslife.org/?p=1386#comment-22879 Sister Julie - I understand the concern about there being a lack of context on the web. However, I think there is another phenomenon happening that has not fully developed yet. That being the collective editing that happens when information is available to a wide pool of editors. This phenomenon began with the development of citation indexing for scientific papers. Dr. Eugene Garfield here in Philadelphia is seen as the father of this process. The Google guys used his research to develop their first search algorithm. The basic idea was that the more citations occuring for a particular paper, and part of a paper, from other papers, the higher the raking of those cited papers should be. Basic search engine algorithm now. But the full implications of this phenomenon haven't developed yet. It could be that the collective editing that goes on could in fact be providing the context that is needed. Not sure if that's clear. You given me some good things to ponder. Particularly how this collective editing may relate to the nature of the Trinity. So in addition to the aspect of Love in the new media, perhaps we ought to consider the aspects of Truth and Beauty as well. Does this technology lend itself to a particular kind of Beauty, a beauty in how everything and everyone can now inter-relate. And does Truth then become clearer from the inter-relation. - Don Sister Julie -

I understand the concern about there being a lack of context on the web.

However, I think there is another phenomenon happening that has not fully developed yet. That being the collective editing that happens when information is available to a wide pool of editors.

This phenomenon began with the development of citation indexing for scientific papers. Dr. Eugene Garfield here in Philadelphia is seen as the father of this process. The Google guys used his research to develop their first search algorithm. The basic idea was that the more citations occuring for a particular paper, and part of a paper, from other papers, the higher the raking of those cited papers should be.

Basic search engine algorithm now. But the full implications of this phenomenon haven’t developed yet. It could be that the collective editing that goes on could in fact be providing the context that is needed.

Not sure if that’s clear.

You given me some good things to ponder. Particularly how this collective editing may relate to the nature of the Trinity.

So in addition to the aspect of Love in the new media, perhaps we ought to consider the aspects of Truth and Beauty as well. Does this technology lend itself to a particular kind of Beauty, a beauty in how everything and everyone can now inter-relate. And does Truth then become clearer from the inter-relation.

- Don

]]> By: Sister Julie http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/#comment-22909 Sister Julie Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:56:11 +0000 http://anunslife.org/?p=1386#comment-22909 Hi Anne, Thank you for writing -- and thank you for calling me on the comment about the Catholic blogosphere. I do apologize as now that I re-read it, I see that it was a bit harsh. There are some blogs and people's comments on blogs that tend towards a lack of charity and downright offensive behavior. I've seen some pretty nasty stuff that people have written and, in particular, about fellow Catholics who have a different perspective. But you are right ... that is not true of the majority of the Catholic blogosphere. It's the nasty kind of Catholic blogging that I was reacting to, not the myriad of Catholic voices who are discussing their faith and life in the Church and world. Hi Anne, Thank you for writing — and thank you for calling me on the comment about the Catholic blogosphere. I do apologize as now that I re-read it, I see that it was a bit harsh. There are some blogs and people’s comments on blogs that tend towards a lack of charity and downright offensive behavior. I’ve seen some pretty nasty stuff that people have written and, in particular, about fellow Catholics who have a different perspective. But you are right … that is not true of the majority of the Catholic blogosphere. It’s the nasty kind of Catholic blogging that I was reacting to, not the myriad of Catholic voices who are discussing their faith and life in the Church and world.

]]> By: Anne http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/#comment-22878 Anne Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:55:16 +0000 http://anunslife.org/?p=1386#comment-22878 I teach college writing, and am amazed at the number of students who submit plagiarized essays. The internet has made it possible for those, who have no confidence in their own voices, to appropriate the thoughts and words of others. They do not even type, but simply copy and paste. I see my mission as giving them the courage to express their own thoughts in their own words. Which brings me around to your comment about good communication being the exception rather than the rule in the Catholic blogosphere: I strongly disagree. More than any other form of mass media, a blog is a forum for conversation and a "totally free and complete sharing among equals." I love the individual voices struggling to find their place in the church. Real compassion requires sharing a passion. Among Catholic bloggers, that is a passion for finding their identity within the Church. I teach college writing, and am amazed at the number of students who submit plagiarized essays. The internet has made it possible for those, who have no confidence in their own voices, to appropriate the thoughts and words of others. They do not even type, but simply copy and paste. I see my mission as giving them the courage to express their own thoughts in their own words.

Which brings me around to your comment about good communication being the exception rather than the rule in the Catholic blogosphere: I strongly disagree. More than any other form of mass media, a blog is a forum for conversation and a “totally free and complete sharing among equals.” I love the individual voices struggling to find their place in the church. Real compassion requires sharing a passion. Among Catholic bloggers, that is a passion for finding their identity within the Church.

]]> By: Sister Julie http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/#comment-22872 Sister Julie Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:58:14 +0000 http://anunslife.org/?p=1386#comment-22872 A good phrase, Don, "content without context". I think that well describes a lot of the content that is floating around cyberspace. On the Internet, we can so quickly, so easily grab a quote, ripping it out of context (if there even was a context) and creating a meaning or statement that was never intended. And since more and more people turn to the Internet for their news and information, for explanations of the Church's teaching and Catholic life, etc., I worry that without the context people won't know what's accurate and what's not. A good phrase, Don, “content without context”. I think that well describes a lot of the content that is floating around cyberspace. On the Internet, we can so quickly, so easily grab a quote, ripping it out of context (if there even was a context) and creating a meaning or statement that was never intended. And since more and more people turn to the Internet for their news and information, for explanations of the Church’s teaching and Catholic life, etc., I worry that without the context people won’t know what’s accurate and what’s not.

]]> By: Jean http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/#comment-22861 Jean Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:45 +0000 http://anunslife.org/?p=1386#comment-22861 Sr. Julie - I have to spend much more time reading all of this and wanted to thank you for such a meaty post! Sr. Julie –

I have to spend much more time reading all of this and wanted to thank you for such a meaty post!

]]> By: Don http://anunslife.org/2009/02/03/trinity-model-communication-today/#comment-22792 Don Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:59:23 +0000 http://anunslife.org/?p=1386#comment-22792 Very interesting post, Sr. Lots to ponder. Thanks. I'll just throw out a couple of random thoughts that come up: The full development of the methods of electronic communications, which probably began with the telegraph and is flowering with the web, will have as much if not more effect on changes in the world as did the Gutenberg printing press. That means that in time we will experience changes in political structures and economic systems, some of which we may not even envision right now. The Gutenberg gave us content without context. Yes, you could now print the Bible and have it widely distributed, but without the context for interpreting it, numerous theological errors began to grow into the current state that the Christian world is now in. In many ways, the web and the new media reverses this trend. While it is still possible to publish content without context, it is much easier to verify facts. Moreover, this verification happens within the phenomenon of social media, so that you have individuals within a collective of experience and expertise checking off each other as a point is considered. Anyway, just some random thoughts... Very interesting post, Sr. Lots to ponder. Thanks.

I’ll just throw out a couple of random thoughts that come up:

The full development of the methods of electronic communications, which probably began with the telegraph and is flowering with the web, will have as much if not more effect on changes in the world as did the Gutenberg printing press. That means that in time we will experience changes in political structures and economic systems, some of which we may not even envision right now.

The Gutenberg gave us content without context. Yes, you could now print the Bible and have it widely distributed, but without the context for interpreting it, numerous theological errors began to grow into the current state that the Christian world is now in.

In many ways, the web and the new media reverses this trend. While it is still possible to publish content without context, it is much easier to verify facts.

Moreover, this verification happens within the phenomenon of social media, so that you have individuals within a collective of experience and expertise checking off each other as a point is considered.

Anyway, just some random thoughts…

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